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A Reply To The File Written By 'Gryzor!' | . Called 'g!hej.txt'. Download And Read | `------------------------------------------' @END_FILE_ID.DIZ I·n·t·r·o·d·u·c·t·i·o·n ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As many of you, I also read the text called 'g!hej.txt' and I was really moved by 'Gryzor!'s stand against what he felt was a big injustice. I would like to point out with this text a few small things that I feel are important. One of them is that none of you have good grammar or spelling. I found several examples of this in both your texts but I consider the mud throwing to be, in all honestly, pathetic. M·a·i·n T·e·x·t ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What the real issue is and I am just expressing my point of view here - that Gryzor! is not being respected for who he is by 'Dalamer'. It is with a certain degree of sadness that I write this text and also that I feel compelled to take Gryzor's side in this debate. The reason is simple: There is a chronic lack of respect in the scene. I have never heard of this Dalamer before the Dream Charts nor have I had the pleasure to read a copy of the DC but, Gryzor is right when he says that a guys like Dalamer can't represent the scene. This is true and I am sure that Dalamer agrees with Gryzor there. The scene can only be represented by the people who make it what it is. This means the groups. Like HLM's WC. The Dream Chart has become big due to hard work and this is something that I have to give full marks to Dalamer for. It is great to see people working hard in the scene now. Something that is ONLY positive. What the danger is, and I think that we have seen proof of this now, that the person that works so hard in the scene starts to think that he is maybe worth a bit more than he is in reality. The fact is that 'Dalamer' isn't worth much in the real scene and this is also something that he can admit to, I think. Now, please don't take any of this as an attack, I am only trying to tell you some home truths, you should thank me really... When it comes to Gryzor's work I must say that I support him totally. Formatting lame boards and making lamers lives hell is something that I find to be great and something that the scene should be thankful for. It isn't something that I would have the time or energy to do but it is a very nobel thing to do and I would prefer Gryzor as a 'scene police' as to that of Dalamer who in my opinion does not have the experience to formulate such opinions. Nothing personal.. That's just the way things are - such is life! Live with it... Source: 'g!hej.txt' Read quote below for more information. --------------[ Start Quote ]-------------- DALAMER: And I Cannot understand Why people send him Logos and asciis. GRYZOR: Because they admire my work? Perhaps... --------------[ End Quote ]-------------- I must say that I am a fan of what Gryzor does, he is a competent hacker and one that I respect. I can't respect someone that makes a chart and then just because of this thinks that he is some kinda scene god... This of course doesn't mean that I 'hate' Dalamer - it's just that the impression that I have got from seeing his activites makes me feel that this guy is just not on the same level as I am. He is far from alone so to Dalamer - please don't take this as an attack - just a viewpoint. Hope you can respect this without using some childish foul language to reply cos I just won't respond to such crap. F·i·n·a·l W·o·r·d·s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To sum it all up, I think that Dalamer should really take a look at what he is doing. Ok, everyone doesn't like hackers etc etc and I can understand a sysop not really being a fan of them but if you are straight up with people and don't hide your TRUE identity with a mask (i.e. trying to be someone you are NOT) then things should go ok. There ain't anybody that is intrested in formatting COOL boards but, as said, if you are a fake guy just bluffing a lot and someone calls your bluff you just have to accept that you have been beaten. Everyone has been a newbie at some time or another - thing is that some stay new longer than others... This is the first and last piece of my wisdom that I will offer into this debate in public. If anyone doesn't understand anything said here and wishes to gain clarity from me personally then please call 'The Last Inn' in Malmoe/Sweden and I will answer. .------------------------------------------------. | I would like to point out that these views are | | my own and have nothing to do with Classic's | `------------------------------------------------' Signed: Rob. 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